Legislature(1993 - 1994)

02/22/1994 09:10 AM Senate CRA

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              SENATE COMMUNITY & REGIONAL AFFAIRS                              
                       February 22, 1994                                       
                           9:10 a.m.                                           
                                                                               
  MEMBERS PRESENT                                                              
                                                                               
 Senator Randy Phillips, Chairman                                              
 Senator Robin Taylor, Vice Chairman                                           
 Senator Loren Leman                                                           
 Senator Fred Zharoff                                                          
                                                                               
  MEMBERS ABSENT                                                               
                                                                               
 Senator Al Adams                                                              
                                                                               
 COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                            
                                                                               
 Briefing: Alaska Local Boundary Commission, 1994 Annual Report to             
 the Legislature                                                               
                                                                               
 SENATE BILL NO. 291                                                           
 "An Act relating to including all regions in the state in an                  
 organized borough or unified municipality; and providing for an               
 effective date."                                                              
                                                                               
  PREVIOUS SENATE COMMITTEE ACTION                                             
                                                                               
 SB 291 - No previous senate committee action.                                 
                                                                               
  WITNESS REGISTER                                                             
                                                                               
 Darrol Hargraves, Chairman                                                    
 Alaska Local Boundary Commission                                              
 333 W. 4th Ave., Suite 220, Anchorage, AK 99501-2341¶269-4500                 
  POSITION STATEMENT:  testified on the LBC & SB 291                           
                                                                               
 Dan Bockhorst, Staff Supervisor                                               
 Alaska Local Boundary Commission                                              
 Department of Community & Regional Affairs                                    
 333 W. 4th Ave., Suite 220, Anchorage, AK 99501-2341¶269-4500                 
  POSITION STATEMENT:  testified on the LBC & SB 291                           
                                                                               
 Shelley Dugan, Commissioner                                                   
 Alaska Local Boundary Commission                                              
 333 W. 4th Ave., Suite 220, Anchorage, AK 99501-2341¶269-4500                 
  POSITION STATEMENT:  testified on the LBC & SB 291                           
                                                                               
 Frances Hallgren, Commissioner                                                
 Alaska Local Boundary Commission                                              
 333 W. 4th, Ave., Suite 220, Anchorage, AK 99501-2341¶269-4500                
  POSITION STATEMENT:  testified on the LBC & SB 291                           
                                                                               
 Myrtle Johnson, Commissioner                                                  
 Alaska Local Boundary Commission                                              
 333 W. 4th Ave., Suite 220, Anchorage, AK 99501-2341¶269-4500                 
  POSITION STATEMENT:  testified on the LBC & SB 291                           
                                                                               
 H. Toni Salmeier, Commissioner                                                
 Alaska Local Boundary Commission                                              
 333 W. 4th Ave., Suite 220, Anchorage, AK 99501-2341¶269-4500                 
  POSITION STATEMENT:  testified on the LBC & SB 291                           
                                                                               
 Alexis Miller, Aide                                                           
 Senator Donley                                                                
 State Capitol, Juneau, AK 99801-1182¶465-3892                                 
  POSITION STATEMENT:  prime sponsor of SB 291                                 
                                                                               
  ACTION NARRATIVE                                                             
                                                                               
 TAPE 94-16, SIDE A                                                            
 Number 001                                                                    
                                                                               
 The Senate Community & Regional Affairs Committee was called to               
 order by Chairman Randy Phillips at 9:10 a.m.                                 
                                                                               
 DARROL HARGRAVES, Chairperson, Local Boundary Commission (LBC),               
 says the boundary commission is in attendance to report the                   
 activities of the LBC for the past year, and to report on possible            
 future developments for the LBC.  Chairman Hargraves introduces               
 other members of the LBC: Commissioner Shelley Dugan, Commissioner            
 Myrtle Johnson, Commissioner Frances Hallgren, and Commissioner H.            
 Toni Salmeier.                                                                
                                                                               
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN RANDY PHILLIPS invites the commissioners of the LBC to the           
 committee table.                                                              
                                                                               
 Number 020                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN HARGRAVES reads from a prepared statement that was                   
 submitted to the Community & Regional Affairs Committee.  Chairman            
 Hargraves introduces Dan Bockhorst, staff support for the LBC in              
 the Department of Community & Regional Affairs (DCRA).                        
                                                                               
 Number 187                                                                    
                                                                               
 DAN BOCKHORST, Staff, Department of Community & Regional Affairs              
 (DCRA), states the 1964 earthquake caused some land on the boundary           
 of King Cove to subside, which was then filled in and developed.              
 This land was considered part of King Cove, though it was not                 
 actually within the boundary of the city.                                     
                                                                               
                                                                               
 Number 200                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN RANDY PHILLIPS notes the existence of a letter from the              
 city manager of Seldovia stating there was no problem with                    
 annexation, but he sees that in the report by the LBC, there was a            
 protest against the annexation.                                               
                                                                               
 Number 212                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN HARGRAVES says there was testimony in opposition to the              
 annexation, but it was confined to the people in the area being               
 annexed and the native corporation in the area.  Since that time              
 nothing has come back to the LBC other than rumors that some people           
 would like to dissolve the city or reclassify it.  Chairman                   
 Hargraves continues his review of the 1993 LBC annual report.                 
                                                                               
 Number 245                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN HARGRAVES states SB 164 will make technical amendments to            
 the law, and the LBC has submitted a one-page summary and a three-            
 page sectional analysis of the bill to the legislature.  Chairman             
 Hargraves reads from these prepared documents.                                
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN RANDY PHILLIPS notes that SB 164 is currently in the                 
 Senate Judiciary Committee.                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN HARGRAVES says the LBC thinks this legislation is vital,             
 and he hopes the legislature will give it consideration.  Chairman            
 Hargraves continues his prepared remarks.  Chairman Hargraves                 
 states his support for HB 427, which would compensate LBC                     
 commissioners.                                                                
                                                                               
 Number 320                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN HARGRAVES lists the prospective activities for the LBC in            
 the coming year.  It includes boundary work in Dillingham, North              
 Pole, Wrangell, Petersburg, Kake, Glacier Bay, Portage Pass, and              
 Susitna.  Borough annexation is being considered by the Ketchikan             
 Gateway Borough.  Borough detachments are being considered in the             
 Matanuska-Susitna Borough, the Municipality of Anchorage, the                 
 Kodiak Island Borough, and the Fairbanks North Star Borough.                  
                                                                               
 SENATOR ZHAROFF asks what a borough detachment is.                            
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN HARGRAVES replies that is removing a slice of land from a            
 borough.                                                                      
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN RANDY PHILLIPS ask which areas are being considered for              
 detachment in the Municipality of Anchorage.  Someone replies                 
 Girdwood is one of the areas.                                                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN HARGRAVES says people always want to incorporate and                 
 unincorporate and detach- the grass is always greener phenomenon.             
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN RANDY PHILLIPS asks how an area can detach.                          
                                                                               
 Number 340                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOCKHORST replies the law permits an area to be detached from             
 an organized borough if it meets certain standards.  The intent of            
 the constitution is that there be flexibility in borough                      
 boundaries.  There have been detachments from the Fairbanks North             
 Star Borough, the North Slope Borough, the Matanuska-Susitna                  
 Borough, and from the Sitka Borough.                                          
                                                                               
 Number 355                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR asks if the LBC can force a detachment, or if the              
 detachment must be voluntary.                                                 
                                                                               
 MR. BOCKHORST responds that detachment can come through a                     
 legislative review process.  It does not need to have a vote of the           
 people.  The process involves the LBC making a recommendation to              
 the legislature, and so long as the legislature does not adopt a              
 resolution rejecting the LBC recommendation within 45 days, the               
 recommendation stands.                                                        
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR recommends that the LBC investigate dissolving the             
 community of Kupreanof.                                                       
                                                                               
 Number 380                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOCKHORST states there are several options under which a city             
 may be dissolved.  One is if a city is inactive, DCRA must                    
 investigate the city.  Also, the state legislature, commissioner of           
 DCRA, and others, may petition the LBC to dissolve a city.  There             
 are about five different ways dissolution may occur under the                 
 current laws.                                                                 
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR says he would appreciate it if Mr. Bockhorst would             
 meet with Senator Taylor's staff to discuss that.  Senator Taylor             
 is ready to dissolve Kupreanof.                                               
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN HARGRAVES continues his prepared remarks, and says he                
 thinks the LBC is seeing so many small communities dissolving                 
 because they are simply becoming inactive and disenfranchised with            
 their small local governments.                                                
                                                                               
 MR. BOCKHORST says he thinks declining state revenues are also                
 behind some of the small communities wanting to dissolve.                     
                                                                               
 SENATOR ZHAROFF states that when communities become organized, they           
 fall into a different classification and fall under a whole new               
 realm of regulations, and some of the smaller communities simply              
 cannot afford to keep up with those additional responsibilities.              
                                                                               
 Number 425                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN HARGRAVES concludes his prepared remarks and announces               
 that some of the commissioners would like to make brief statements.           
                                                                               
 Number 430                                                                    
                                                                               
 MYRTLE JOHNSON, Commissioner, Alaska Local Boundary Commission,               
 says she also served on the LBC under Governor Miller.  One of the            
 things she likes about serving now, is the LBC's use of                       
 teleconferences to conduct business.  It makes it easier for her to           
 serve on the LBC, because she does not have to take leave from her            
 job.  Commissioner Johnson comments on state fiscal matters and               
 education.                                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 458                                                                    
                                                                               
 H. TONI SALMEIER, Commissioner, Alaska Local Boundary Commission,             
 thanks the committee for the opportunity to appear before it.                 
                                                                               
 SHELLEY DUGAN, Commissioner, Alaska Local Boundary Commission, says           
 she is concerned about SB 291, because the boundary commission does           
 not advocate forming mandatory boroughs.  The LBC spent a lot of              
 time working on the model boundaries project, assuring people that            
 it was not the goal of the LBC to form mandatory boroughs.  The               
 model boundary project came about as a result of three petitions              
 that were filed in 1989, which were basically boroughs attempting             
 to reach out to areas outside their current boundaries, primarily             
 to enhance revenues by expanding their tax base.  The LBC saw a               
 trend developing, whereby municipalities would simply attempt to              
 expand their boundaries to increase revenue.  So the purpose of the           
 model boundaries project was to take a comprehensive look at the              
 state, overall.  The LBC was concerned that existing boroughs not             
 be able to reach out and take all the revenue, leaving nothing to             
 form boroughs in the future.  The LBC studied the state overall,              
 and came up with the model borough boundaries map, to use as a tool           
 for future boundary planning.  SB 291 references a model boundary             
 study, so people then think the LBC's model boundaries project was            
 just a part of SB 291, which it is not.  That is why the LBC tries            
 to take a position of neutrality.  That neutrality and objectivity            
 is crucial to the success of the LBC.  For this reason the LBC will           
 not take a stand on SB 291.                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN RANDY PHILLIPS says it is a coincidence that SB 291 was              
 introduced recently, and the committee was able to schedule it at             
 the same time it scheduled the briefing from the Local Boundary               
 Commission.                                                                   
                                                                               
                                                                               
 Number 501                                                                    
                                                                               
 FRANCES HALLGREN, Commissioner, Alaska Local Boundary Commission,             
 says SB 291 is a foreshadowing of things to come, and people in the           
 unorganized borough know that things are going to change.                     
 Commissioner Hallgren concurs with the statements made by                     
 Commissioner Dugan, and also thinks there are some portions of SB
 291 that will have to be changed before consideration of passage.             
 One, regarding means to eliminate or reduce disincentives and                 
 enhance incentives for the formation of boroughs, Commissioner                
 Hallgren thinks disincentives for not forming organized boroughs              
 would be more effective in getting citizens to organize local                 
 governments.  Another point, SB 164 needs to be thoroughly                    
 considered, and mandatory boroughs should come after a system is              
 organized.  We cannot mandate boroughs without having guidelines in           
 place.                                                                        
                                                                               
 Number 520                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN RANDY PHILLIPS asks what the annexation in Haines                    
 involves.                                                                     
                                                                               
 MR. BOCKHORST says it is his understanding that, in the case of the           
 Haines annexation, the land involved is only one or two lots, and             
 regards extending some water utilities.                                       
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN RANDY PHILLIPS asks if the Fairbanks annexation involves             
 taking in part of the pipeline.  He recalls Fairbanks' effort to              
 annex that area several years ago, but residents of the area                  
 objected, saying they wanted to form their own borough.  Since that           
 time, residents of the area have made no effort to form their own             
 borough, and Chairman Phillips encourages the Fairbanks North Star            
 Borough to try again to annex the area north-east of Fairbanks.               
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER DUGAN says she is glad to hear Senator Phillips                  
 comments, because she supported Fairbanks' annexation of that area            
 also.  That area is now included in the model borough boundaries              
 study as being a possible area for future annexation by Fairbanks.            
                                                                               
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN HARGRAVES says Alyeska pipeline pump stations are popular,           
 and almost every region in the state would like to annex a pump               
 station.                                                                      
                                                                               
 Number 560                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR ZHAROFF asks why, in the King Cove annexation, more area              
 wasn't included in the annexation.                                            
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN HARGRAVES says the annexation is based on the petition               
 from the community, so he cannot answer that question.  He says               
 there may be geographic reasons for particular boundaries.                    
 TAPE 94-16, SIDE B                                                            
                                                                               
 Number 572                                                                    
 CHAIRMAN RANDY PHILLIPS, hearing no further comments, announces the           
 Senate Community & Regional Affairs Committee will now take up SB
 291 (BOROUGH INCORPORATION & ANNEXATION).  The chairman calls the             
 representative from the sponsor's office to come to the committee             
 table and give a brief analysis of the bill.                                  
                                                                               
 Number 566                                                                    
                                                                               
 ALEXIS MILLER, Aide to Senator Dave Donley, says she appreciates              
 comments from commissioners of the LBC on SB 291.  Ms. Miller says            
 she will dispel any rumors that she or Senator Donley communicated            
 with any LBC commissioners regarding SB 291 before its'                       
 introduction.  Since the introduction of SB 291 she has spoken with           
 Mr. Bockhorst.                                                                
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN RANDY PHILLIPS notes it was advantageous to be able to               
 schedule the bill while commission members were in town, so that              
 they would be able to comment and answer questions.                           
                                                                               
 MS. MILLER says Senator Donley introduced SB 291 as a direct                  
 response to the LBC's report on model borough boundaries.  He had             
 read the report, and there was a particular section in which he saw           
 some inequities.  Approximately 60% of the land mass of the state             
 and between 13%-20% of the population of the state is not within an           
 organized borough.  Senator Donley saw it as those people (within             
 the unorganized area) were receiving services from the state they             
 were not paying for.  He thought it would be more fair to have                
 those persons residing in unorganized areas paying for some of the            
 services they receive.                                                        
                                                                               
 Number 538                                                                    
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER SALMEIER asks, since SB 291 requests the LBC to                  
 conduct a study, if the study the LBC just did on model borough               
 boundaries was adequate or not.                                               
                                                                               
 MS. MILLER says she has not looked at the model borough boundaries            
 study and is not sure whether it would be adequate or not.  It                
 could possibly be used.                                                       
                                                                               
 Number 527                                                                    
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER HARGRAVES says there may be one technicality that                
 needs to be clarified: the model borough boundaries study is a                
 study of an area today.  If a petition is made to the LBC, the LBC            
 would study the petition all over again.  It would not simply                 
 follow the model borough boundaries study.                                    
                                                                               
 Number 521                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR asks if there is an assumption that the boroughs               
 created through SB 291 would have certain home-rule power, or would           
 they be created for the sole purpose of taxation.                             
                                                                               
 MS. MILLER says she cannot answer that question.                              
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR says he asks in relation to the Hillside area in               
 Anchorage.  He wonders if the state would be walking into a myriad            
 of problems if SB 291 was passed.  Would the state then be required           
 to provide state trooper coverage for all these areas?  What other            
 services would be required?                                                   
                                                                               
 Number 510                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN RANDY PHILLIPS asks if the LBC sees any technical problems           
 with SB 291.                                                                  
                                                                               
 MR. BOCKHORST says DCRA has not carefully reviewed SB 291.  He                
 believes there is less of a need for some services in more rural              
 areas of the state.  Many boroughs do not have police protection in           
 any sense.  The cities within a borough may have protection, but              
 the boroughs do not.                                                          
                                                                               
 Number 500                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR says SB 291 attempts to prevent overlapping of                 
 service districts, and other problems.  If it is not going to do              
 that, if these new boroughs will be allowed to pick and choose the            
 services and those powers they wish to utilize, we will continue to           
 have overlapping of service districts.                                        
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN RANDY PHILLIPS asks Senator Taylor about the situation in            
 Ketchikan.  The chairman asks Senator Taylor to clarify if he                 
 thinks service areas should be area-wide.                                     
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR confirms that is his belief.  He does not think                
 local areas should be able to pick and choose which services they             
 should have.  Senator Taylor describes some of the problems                   
 communities in his district have had with local governments                   
 deciding which services they would offer to its' residents.                   
 Senator Taylor is concerned that under SB 291, citizens in rural              
 areas would be taxed, but not receive services.  Apparently,                  
 organized areas have the option of taxing residents, while at the             
 same time choosing not to provide certain services, such as police            
 protection and road maintenance, so the state is then required to             
 provide those services.  If the unorganized areas of the state are            
 organized into one borough, will that borough be able to pick and             
 choose, as are the other organized boroughs?  Some of the organized           
 boroughs that pick and choose which services they provide are                 
 Petersburg, Wrangell, Juneau, and Fairbanks.                                  
 Number 448                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN RANDY PHILLIPS says the previously mentioned problems have           
 got to be changed.  Chairman Phillips says the Eagle River area of            
 the service area he is in works fine.                                         
                                                                               
 Number 430                                                                    
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER SALMEIER thinks SB 291 will raise so many problems for           
 the state.  She foresees formidable problems with SB 291.                     
                                                                               
 Number 415                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN HARGRAVES says organization at the local government levels           
 have political overtones and implications, and those do sometimes             
 guide the process.  He recommends the committee get the LBC's ten             
 standards for what should be considered in an incorporation.                  
 Perhaps if SB 291 is measured against those standards, it would               
 help you see whether or not it would work.                                    
                                                                               
 MS. MILLER says that was going to be her question: what would the             
 LBC recommend.  If it is the model boundary, if there is something            
 specific.  Because, as she said, Senator Donley read the LBC model            
 borough boundaries report, and she says she quotes a paragraph from           
 Senator Donley's press release, talking about the inequities, the             
 borough concept, 80% of Alaska's population.  All of that came from           
 the LBC's report.  That is where Senator Donley got his                       
 information.  That is why Senator Donley introduced SB 291.  Ms.              
 Miller thinks Senator Donley is introducing it on behalf of the               
 LBC.                                                                          
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN RANDY PHILLIPS asks Ms. Miller if Senator Donley has seen            
 the LBC's ten standards for analyzing a petition to the LBC.                  
                                                                               
 MS. MILLER says she does not know.                                            
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN RANDY PHILLIPS asks Ms. Miller to have Senator Donley look           
 at the LBC's ten standards, because Chairman Phillips is interested           
 in the concept of SB 291.                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 400                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN HARGRAVES clarifies that the LBC's position on SB 291 is             
 one of neutrality.  Chairman Hargraves would like the record to               
 reflect that neutrality.                                                      
                                                                               
 MS. MILLER states SB 291 is not a new concept, and the provisions             
 contained in the bill have been discussed and proposed since                  
 statehood.                                                                    
                                                                               
                                                                               
 Number 377                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR ZHAROFF asks what happens to municipalities that want to              
 dissolve part of their borough under SB 291.  Would the part being            
 detached from the rest of the borough become part of another                  
 organized borough, or would it become part of the borough organized           
 under SB 291, or would it not be attached to any sort of organized            
 borough?                                                                      
                                                                               
 (Committee members and LBC commissioners discuss this question, but           
 no conclusion is reached.)                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN RANDY PHILLIPS asks if there is any other area in the                
 world where there is unorganized area that is not taxed, as there             
 is in the unorganized areas of the State of Alaska.                           
                                                                               
 (The committee members and commissioners of the LBC come to general           
 agreement that there is, at any rate, no area in the rest of the              
 United States or Canada where areas remain untaxed.)                          
                                                                               
 An unidentified female LBC commissioner says it is her personal               
 opinion that people in the State of Alaska have gotten used to                
 getting something for nothing.                                                
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN RANDY PHILLIPS says he is preparing his community to start           
 paying for the benefits it receives.  Some areas are not prepared             
 for that, however.                                                            
                                                                               
 Number 286                                                                    
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER HALLGREN says 164 will make it a little bit easier for           
 some places to do home-rule municipalities without having to go               
 through a three-step process.                                                 
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN RANDY PHILLIPS says that since the legislature is the                
 "assembly", so to speak, for unorganized areas, perhaps it could              
 tax the unorganized areas through a sales tax, property tax, or               
 some other tax.                                                               
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN HARGRAVES states that with the advent of the REAA's (Rural           
 Education Attendance Areas), the legislature's position as the                
 assembly for those areas was made very clear.                                 
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER JOHNSON says if SB 291 passes, LBC commissioners will            
 need trooper protection to go to some villages.                               
                                                                               
 (There is discussion of times when LBC commissioners needed police            
 protection during community meetings.)                                        
                                                                               
 (There is discussion of an arrest in Palmer in which local                    
 authorities did not have jurisdiction, so state troopers                      
 participated in the arrest.)                                                  
 Number 260                                                                    
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER JOHNSON feels the public needs to be educated as to              
 the process for petitioning with the Alaska Local Boundary                    
 Commission.                                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN HARGRAVES says Ms. Johnson has been recommending, in the             
 spirit of religious missionaries of times past, that there be                 
 financial missionaries sent out to villages and communities.                  
                                                                               
 Number 198                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR ZHAROFF states he does not want people to leave the                   
 committee meeting with the feeling that people in rural areas are             
 not paying their way.  A lot of the small communities do have a tax           
 base from which they try to support their community, they do                  
 attempt to do this.  When one looks at some of the urban areas that           
 do not have a sales tax, you see a lot of free loaders there who              
 are not paying their own way.  Proportionally, it is probably a               
 much larger percentage than the situations which exist in many of             
 the rural areas.                                                              
                                                                               
 Unidentified female LBC commissioner says 164 will help those                 
 places which are trying to shoulder their share of the fiscal                 
 burden.                                                                       
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER DUGAN comments that the City of Fairbanks is a prime             
 example of a city where the infrastructure is falling apart, yet              
 the citizens of the city have voted down a sales tax seven times in           
 the last two years.  It is the old "something for nothing".                   
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN HARGRAVES says he has another speech on sales tax which he           
 plans to give to the city council in Ketchikan.  The sales tax in             
 Ketchikan is currently 5%, and some people get the glory of paying            
 that twice.  He won't give the details at this time, but if people            
 want to come to the Ketchikan city council meeting in the next few            
 weeks, they can hear his speech.                                              
                                                                               
 Number 175                                                                    
                                                                               
 MS. MILLER states SB 291 might not be politically correct, but it             
 is a political reality, and sometimes these tough decisions must be           
 made.                                                                         
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN RANDY PHILLIPS says the committee will bring SB 291 up               
 again, perhaps on Tuesday, March 1, 1994, so the committee can                
 focus in on it.                                                               
 CHAIRMAN RANDY PHILLIPS adjourns the Senate Community & Regional              
 Affairs Committee at 10:25 a.m.                                               
                                                                               

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